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B. H. Cramer · Guest

Guenter Deckert was arrested and served five years in prison in
Germany for translating a speech by Fred Leuchter into German.

Germar Rudolf Accused, tried and convicted in Germany.
Career and doctorate dissertation ruined.
Driven into exile.

Background and contribution:

This brilliant, German-trained chemist
re-examined Auschwitz, Birkenau and other installations and buildings,
testing rocks, soil and other physical samples for traces of Zyklon B.

Following the pioneering work of Fred Leuchter, he put the final nail
into the coffin of the Auschwitz story. Even though he did scientific
work and was utterly apolitical, Rudolf's home and office were raided,
computers seized etc. He was charged and tried in Germany for not
believing in the standard Auschwitz story. As a scientist, he found
the "gassing" claims to be scientifically untenable and, therefore,
absurd.

A modern day Galileo, Rudolf was found guilty and convicted
because he refused to renounce scientific facts and his own scientific
tests and findings. He was facing jail when he went into exile with
his young wife and two babies. He now edits and publishes devastating
refutations of the Allied Propaganda claims in a German-language
journal. The Holocaust Enforcers are dogging his steps, and he faces
endless hassles and trials, should the "German" vassal authorities
ever get a hold of him. Z|ndel expert witness in chemistry in the
Munich trial in 1991 - disallowed by the judge at the request of the
prosecution.

Ahmed Rami
Tried, convicted and imprisoned in Sweden.
Background and contribution: Rami is a former Moroccan military
officer living in exile in Sweden, where he used to run "Radio Islam",
a radio program that was closed down due to Holocaust Lobby pressure.

He was tried and convicted in Sweden for his Revisionist views and
served a nine month prison term. Now he runs a much-visited,
multilingual website famous the world over, which has come under
repeated attack by French and Swedish Jewish sources. He won several
court skirmishes, and for the moment seems to hold his own.

An outspoken German Nationalist was sentenced Thursday to two years in
prison without parole for "denying" the Holocaust. Manfred Roeder, 70,
was sentenced for having refered to the Holocaust as "humbug" during
an August 1998 election rally in the eastern German city of Stralsund.

With no First Amendment to protect them, Germans face legal action for
questioning the orthodox Holocaust story. The rally at which Roeder
spoke part of his parliamentary campaign as a candidate for the
National Party of Germany. His imprisonment clearly makes him a
"political prisoner" in Germany.

During his trial, Roeder said a tape of his speech had been
"manipulated and falsified." Roeder asserted that statements that
would have cleared him were edited out. The judge, however, agreed
with three witnesses who said the tape was genuine. The Roeder case
exemplifies the lack of freedom in today's Germany.

Adapted from: The Associated Press
Thursday, Dec. 2, 1999; 12:52 p.m. EST

Udo Walendy
Convicted and imprisoned in Germany for 15 months, even though already
in his seventies and in poor health with a serious heart condition.

Background and contribution: A prolific German researcher, writer and
publisher of numerous books and a series of popular booklets called
"Historische Tatsachen"- ("Historical Truths") including the German
version of "Did Six Million Really Die?" and the German language
version of the Leuchter Report #1 - Walendy was dragged before the
courts numerous times. His home and offices were frequently raided by
the police. Business files, books, printing plates and computers were
confiscated. Z|ndel advisor and witness in the 1985 and 1988 Great
Holocaust Trials.

Austrian engineer, Froelich, says gassings impossible as alleged
Posted by Hannover on June 14, 2000 at 20:57:56:

Deposition of Wolfgang Froelich during the recent trial of Swiss
revisionist Jurgen Graf (condemned to 15 months imprisonment and
18,000 SwF in monetary penalties for investigating the "Holocaust" in
Russian archives and publishing the results, as well as a booklet
titled "On the Decline of Swiss Freedom").

Froelich is an Austrian engineer and an expert witness whose field of
expertise are process engineering and gas applications. He
told the court he has carried out numerous gassings to exterminate
pests and infectious microbes. Here is how he answers the
questions by public prosecutor Aufdenblatten:

Aufdenblatten: "In your opinion were mass gassings with Zyklon B
possible?"

Froelich: "No".

Aufdenblatten: "Why not?"

Froelich: "The pesticide Zyklon B is hydrocyanic acid absorbed in a
granular-shaped carrier substance. It is released though
contact with the air. The evaporation point of hydrocyanic acid is
25.7 degrees (Celsius). The higher the temperature, the more
rapid is the rate of evaporation. The delousing chambers in which
Zyklon B was used in NS (German wartime) camps and
elsewhere were heated to 30 degrees and higher, so that the
hydrocyanic acid would be released rapidly from the carrier
granules. However, in the half-underground mortuaries of the
Auschwitz-Birkenau crematories, where witnesses claim that mass
killings with Zyklon B took place, the temperatures were much lower.

Even if one allows for the warming of the spaces by the
body warmth of the hypothetical prisoners, the temperature would not
have been more than 15 degrees, even in summer time.

Consequently, it would have taken many hours for the hydrocyanic acid
to evaporate.

"According to eyewitness reports, the victims died very quickly. The
witnesses mention time frames of 'instantaneous' to '15
minutes'. To be able to kill the gas chamber prisoners in such a short
time, the Germans would have had to use ridiculously large
amounts of Zyklon-I estimate from 40 to 50 kilograms for each gassing.

This would have made any work in the gas chamber
fundamentally impossible. The special detachment (Sonderkommando)
people, whom the witnesses say were assigned the task
of clearing out (dead bodies) from them (the gas chambers), would have
collapsed immediately upon entering the rooms, even if
they were wearing gas masks. Enormous amounts of hydrocyanic acid
would have streamed out into the open, and would have
poisoned the entire camp".

Froehlich's statement corroborates the investigations and declarations
of such specialists as gas chamber expert Fred Leuchter,
Austrian engineer Walter Lueftl, American research chemist William B.
Lindsay, German chemist Germar Rudolf, and German
engineer Wofgang Schuster.

Now comes another interesting bit. Immediately following Froelich's
statement, here is what public prosecutor Aufdenblatten
had to say to him:

Aufdenblatten: "I hereby ask the court to bring charges against you
for racial discrimination, on the basis of Article 261 (the
Anti-Racism Law) or otherwise I'll do it myself".

So this is how Zyklon B killed all the millions and why "Anti-Racism"
Laws are needed!

Defence attorney Stehrenberger could only inform the court that in view of
this
blatant intimidation of the witness , he would withdraw from the case. He
later
expressed again his objections to the amazing proceedings, and resumed
his duties as defence attorney. To no avail, of course:

Judge Andrea Staubli (to Graf): "Can't you imagine that Jews feel
offended by your books?"

Graf: "Yes, and many non-Jews as well. The brain-washing has been so
thorough that anyone who inadvertently stumbles upon
the truth would be completely upset".

Staubli: "And don't you care if Jews feel offended by your books?"

Graf: "Edgar Bronfman (the president of the Jewish World Congress)
said recently that Switzerland is like a man who has to
have his feet held in the fire before he sees reason. Can't you
imagine that a Swiss person would feel offended by that? Why is it
that only Jewish feelings are taken into account and never the
feelings of non-Jews?"

Graf got his 15 months and 18,000 SwF. His publisher Gerhard
Foerster-a 78 years old man suffering from several illnesses,
who needs a wheel chair to go around-got 12 months imprisonment and
53,000 SwF, assorted financial punishment.

A prime example of the persecution of the Holocaust questioners is the
story of historian David Irving. His books are found in almost every
library in the world. Irving has written more than thirty volumes on
the Second World War published by a half dozen of the most prominent
publishers in the Western World, including: The Viking Press, Harper &
Row, Little, Brown, Simon & Schuster, and Avon Books.

The most respected historians in the world, including A.J.P. Taylor,
Trevor Roper, Gordon Craig, and Stephen Ambrose have praised his
works. He has researched in the German State Archives for more than
thirty years, as well as in the U.S. National Archives, the British
Public Records Office, the government archives of Australia, France,
Italy and Canada,-and even the former Soviet Secret State Archives.

He was the first historian to challenge the validity of the widely
heralded (and later debunked) _Hitler_Diaries_ [846] In the course of
his wideranging research, Irving has uncovered many documents that
challenge parts of the Holocaust orthodoxy.

While he was in Germany, Irving quoted the videotaped admission of the
head curator of the Auschwitz State Museum, Dr. Francizek Piper.

Piper had admitted that the facility shown to the world (and more than
40 million visitors) for 40 years - as a genuine Nazi-built gas
chamber - is not authentic. Polish Communists had actually built it
after the war. For simply quoting Piper's admission, the governent
charged Irving with "Defaming the memory of the dead."

Although he had clear evidence proving the truth of his statement,
Irving was forbidden to present it at his trial or even to call Dr.
Piper as a witness. For making his statements of historical fact, the
German government fined him 30,000 marks. In "the German State's
interest" they banned him from using the German State Archives where
he had labored for more than thirty years, and to which he had donated
priceless collections of original documents.

The German government has now banned him from the country. Canada,
France, Austria, Italy, South Africa, Australia and many other nations
have subsequently banned him at the behest of the Jews. His
publishers have been harassed and intimidated into canceling
contracts. He has been physically attacked and has had lectures
broken up by pipe-wielding thugs.

In Canada, at the request of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the
authorities seized, shackled, and deported him from the country in
handcuffs. The Toronto Globe & Mail asked why he had been handcuffed
and then answered its own question, 'Did someone think he might use
his typewriter?'

With the American tradition of First Amendment rights, few realize
that in the so-called "Free World" it is possible for a historian to
be jailed simply for voicing an opinion about a historical event of 50
years ago. Speaking inside his home near the U.S. embassy in London,
Irving did an interview with a French television station, again
repeating the fact that the main gas chambers shown to tourists at
Auschwitz are fakes. For making this statement in his own living room
in London, he was prosecuted in the Paris courts. In France, it is
illegal to challenge any of the crimes against humanity as alleged in
the Nuremberg Trials Charter of 1945 - even if one does so in his own
home and in another country.

There are those who say that we should not debate aspects of the
Holocaust anymore than we should debate those who say the world is
flat. Yet, would any knowledgeable person be afraid to debate an
advocate of the flat Earth theory? Would he urge the passage of laws
to prevent the advocate of that theory from speaking, writing or
publishing? Would he try to have his livelihood destroyed, have him
fined thousands of dollars, and if that did not work, cast him into
prison?

I believe in freedom of speech because I am not afraid. I believe
that my ideas are well reasoned and that I can back up my opinions
with logic and evidence. In an atmosphere of free and open
discussion, I fear not, for there is not a truth that I dread. What
do the opponents of David Irving, or of all revisionists, fear?

Our libraries and schools are extremely well stocked with Holocaust
literature. Newspapers and magazines surge with an endless stream of
related stories. Theater and television screens light up with drama,
commentary, interviews, and images of the Holocaust. It would seem
that with this much overkill, there should be little to fear from the
David Irvings of the world - unless of course, they think that his
evidence is convincing, his reasoning sound and his presentation
eloquent. Thus, to protect their popular version of the Holocaust,
they seek to hound this man to the ends of the Earth.

What "historical fact" is so weak that it must be protected by terror,
by jail, and deportation? What do the opponents of David Irving and
the other revisionists fear? Are the revisionist arguments so
convincing that their opponents must use naked political oppression to
silence them?

RJ11 · Guest

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TurkeyBoy · Guest

“The holocaust has proven to be an indispensible ideological weapon.
Through its deployment, one of the world’s most formidable military
powers, with an horrendous human rights record, has cast itself as a
victim state, and the most successful ethnic group in the us has
likewise acquired victim status. Considerable dividends accure from
this specious victimhood – in particular, immunity to criticizm,
however justified.”
Norman G. Finkelstein

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On Jul 17, 1:52 pm, "B. H. Cramer" <Iyamh...@themoment.yo> wrote: